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Post by Jack on Oct 15, 2012 11:45:36 GMT -8
Would Harry's 'love shield' (lol, power of love and friendship) have worked if Voldie didn't use the avada kedavra and just set him on fire instead? Also, has anyone else noticed that for the 'most fearsome dark lord in recent memory', Voldie only ever seemed to be able to cast the 3 unforgivable curses? I guess except that fight with Dumbledore, but the point still stands. For being all powerful or whatnot, he really didn't seem to be that smart. Another funny one, the prophecy said that he would be defeated by this one person, so he goes to try and fight the person who is destined to beat him personally. Also, why didn't the Ministry have a 'thieves' downfall' on their front door to wash away enchantments? That would have helped keep people from being imperiused in the government, and would apparently undo polyjuice as well. Seems like a decent security measure, if a bit wet. Also, if thestrals are on CoMC OWLs/NEWTs (I forget which), how come nobody believed Harry about the zombie horses? (besides Luna, but she's awesome anyway)
OH MAN, WHAT IS WITH ME AND MY CRAZY QUESTIONS
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Post by Helix on Oct 15, 2012 17:49:38 GMT -8
Let's see what I can muster, lol. - I feel like the 'love shield' doesn't actually exist. Before, Harry was protected because they had twin wands (Goblet of Fire, graveyard), and then when he got "killed", it was because it was actually the horcrux that got killed instead. Besides those times, I can't think of any other time the 'shield' was ever invoked, and thusly was probably just a fairy tale...
- Yeah, Voldy's not the brightest tool in the shed. Considering the following point about confronting the only person that could beat him, it makes him seem like he rushes into things too fast and thinks of the consequences later. You'd think a guy who was so desperate to flee death wouldn't act so risky, but I guess having the horcruces as your back-up can't hurt either. As for his magical repertoire, I guess that's just the effect of him not having much screentime in other circumstances besides trying to kill people.
- The Ministry always felt like it was run by the mafia that was the Death Eaters. I don't know if I'm interpreting that correctly, but I think there was certainly enough lobbying power to keep from putting too many security measures, under the guise of "protecting the privacy of the employees." Hooray corruption!
- Well OBVIOUSLY they didn't see them on page 393 because Snape made them turn all the way to page 394! Did Hermione know about them though? That would certainly be too large of a plot hole for me to try and cover up with my strange logic.
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Post by Jack on Oct 15, 2012 18:11:58 GMT -8
Love shield was supposedly what saved him as a baby and what let him burn Quirrel with his hands. You'd think he'd stop doing it after he knew Harry and Co killed all his extra lives. Clearly his is GENIUS. Yeah, the British Ministry was corrupt as heck, and frankly Fudge was easily bullied too. How'd he become minister again? I don't actually remember if Hermy thought he was nuts, too, but I think Ron told him to sod off despite having tonsabrothers who've probably mentioned them about their exams.
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Post by Helix on Oct 15, 2012 18:29:45 GMT -8
Well, love shield certainly makes sense at the moment Lily died, since her spirit must have been right there. The Quirrel incident though, that one's interesting. Maybe it was like the scar effect, only opposite? Which would make it stem from the horcrux. If it was Dumbledore that told Harry about that, I'd almost not trust him, considering how long it took him to tell Harry about everything. I know love's like a big deal and all, but it can be explained away pretty easily.
Fudge as minister? I don't remember. Was he the one in charge when it started, or did he come in later? Either way, talk about incompetence.
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Post by Jack on Oct 15, 2012 18:40:38 GMT -8
Fudge was the minister until Voldie showed up at the ministry and gave the press the finger, then he got voted out in favor of an auror, who was promptly assassinated. What happened to him later I dunno. The love shield thing was mentioned by Voldie himself in book 4 when he used Harry's blood. Apparently the love shield was incorporated into Harry's blood, so it stayed with him and worked until Voldie stole his blood so the two canceled out.
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Post by Helix on Oct 20, 2012 22:39:24 GMT -8
So I was listening to a podcast about the HP movies, and someone brought up a really interesting-scary point.
In the "Chamber of Secrets," Hagrid is actually SENT TO AZKABAN. And when he comes back, basically NO ONE REALLY GAVE A FUCK. No big deal, he was just in the worst prison ever, and when he comes back it's all like "yay everything is cool again" and literally no one ever talks about it again. Like seriously? Is there a better explanation in the book that wasn't in the movie or what?
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Post by clove on Oct 20, 2012 23:46:25 GMT -8
The entirety of Harry Potter doesn’t make logical sense, so it shouldn’t be surprising that Rowling didn’t think to include that bit. (Attribution Error at the very bloody start.) Rowling drops the ball a lot, I don't think you should worry about trying to rationalize her work. I mean, if you want everything to make sense, you might as well forsake canon and go to Yudkowsky's Harry Potter and the Method of Rationality (which after reading will cause you to resent canon a little bit and you can use me as proof of that)...
Tell me if I've just shoved my foot in my mouth and made you all hate me... I mean, I love the whole idea of the wizarding world and everything, just... I guess the canon isn't my cup of tea and if you give me a few days I can put together a horribly lengthy list of plot holes, inconsistencies, and illogical happenings concerning the books and it still wouldn't be complete.
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Post by Jack on Oct 21, 2012 0:14:58 GMT -8
I read MoR already.
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Post by clove on Oct 21, 2012 0:23:33 GMT -8
I have so many questions for you then, but this is probably not a good place.
All in all you get what I'm trying say, right? I'm not coming across as too much of an asshole? Acknowledging there are no answers to most questions concerning Harry Potter is important. I mean, if you guys weren't posing such excellent questions we could say we're missing something, but chances are you're not and you've found something Rowling didn't think of or something whose explanation was cut out of the final print.
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Post by Jack on Oct 21, 2012 9:15:57 GMT -8
Oh, I know. That's actually one reason I'm working on my own Harry Potter thing. It's a magical school in America, and one of the classes is Magical Theory, so you kinda get the idea. I've come up with a lot of answers to crap on my own anyway. On the subject of MoR, you have to admit it's still pretty unrealistic. It's not so much to explain magic as it is to have a scientist discover he's a wizard and try to find out how much he can rape the laws of physics.
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Post by clove on Oct 21, 2012 13:21:54 GMT -8
Oh yes, its own stuff is crap, but it does at least explain away how things happened from the original books behavior-wise. All the actual magic stuff is still as bad as Rowling using Love as being an actual thing. (The rejecting Death bullshit really annoys me to be honest so I do agree with you on it being silly.)
Is your project going to be a story? I'd be interested in following it. I've been working on a HP roleplay in another board but we had a mishap with our timeline so we're still working everything out and refining our plotlines…
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Post by Jack on Oct 21, 2012 14:12:25 GMT -8
It would be a fanfic if I ever get around to writing it. I've got a part of the first chapter up. My notes contain a hefty characterlist, some rules of magic, and a bit of some lectures. I honestly have no clue how that 'love shield' thing works, but w/e. I do have something on how wandless magic works, though, and Wandless Magic I & II are classes.
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Post by clove on Oct 21, 2012 14:25:55 GMT -8
That sounds really cool. If you ever write any of it up I'd be thankful if you drop me a link.
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